You can lose your salvation?
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Eternal security is biblical?
When people come to know Christ as their Savior, are brought to one new relationship with God that guarantees his eternal security.
In Judah 24 is written:
To the one who can preserve you from every fall and make you appear blameless and with joy before his glory.
The power of God is able to keep the believer from falling. It is up to him, not to us, present ourselves before His glorious presence. Our eternal security is a result of God preserving us, not of us who keep our salvation.
The Lord Jesus Christ declared:
I give them eternal life and they will never perish and no one will snatch them from my hand. My Father who gave them to me is greater than all; and no one can snatch them from the hand of the Father” (Giovanni 10:28-29b).
Both Jesus and the Father hold us tight in their hand. Who can ever separate us from the grasp of both the Father and the Son?
Ephesians 4:30 tells us who the believers are “sealed for the day of redemption”. If believers did not have eternal security, the seal could not really be for the day of redemption, but only for that of sins, of apostasy or unbelief. Giovanni 3:15-16 it tells us that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will have “eternal life”. If a person were promised eternal life, but then this was taken away from her, for a start it wouldn't be “eternal”. If eternal security weren't true, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be bogus.
The most powerful argument in favor of eternal security is Romans 8:38-39:
In fact I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, né principati, nor things present, born future, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature will be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus, our Lord.
Our eternal security is based on God's love for those He has redeemed. Our eternal security was acquired by Christ, promised by the Father and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
Eternal security gives the license’ to sin?
The most frequent objection to the doctrine of eternal security is that it would promote, presumably, the idea that Christians can live in whatever way they want and stay safe. Although that is “technically” vero, this is not the”essence” of eternal security. A person who genuinely accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior “can” live a sinful life, but not “will want” to do it. We must make a distinction between how a Christian should live and what must be done to receive salvation.
The Bible is abundantly clear that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone (Giovanni 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Giovanni 14:6). One is saved by faith, by faith alone. The moment you truly believe in Jesus Christ, one is saved and is safe in that salvation. Salvation is not earned by faith to be, then, maintained by the works. The apostle Paul addresses this topic in Galati 3:3: “You are so foolish? After starting with the Spirit, you now want to achieve perfection with the flesh?”. If we are saved by faith, our salvation is also maintained and assured through faith. We cannot earn our own salvation. Therefore, we cannot even earn the maintenance of our salvation. It is God who keeps it (Judah 24). It is the hand of God that holds us tightly in its hand (Giovanni 10:28-29). It is from the love of God that nothing can separate us (Romans 8:38-39).
Any denial of eternal security is, in its essence, believe that we must maintain our own salvation by our good works. This is completely antithetical to salvation by grace. We are saved through the merits of Christ, not ours (Romans 4:3-8). Claiming that we must obey God's Word or live holy to keep our salvation is tantamount to saying that Jesus' death was not enough to pay the penalty for our sins. Jesus' death was absolutely sufficient to forgive all our sins: passed, present and future, before and after salvation (Romans 5:8; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
therefore, after saying all this, it means that a Christian can live any way he wants and stay safe? This is basically a hypothetical question, because the Bible makes it clear that a true Christian will not live “whatever way you want”. Christians are new creatures (2 Corinthians 5:17). Christians show the fruit of the Spirit (Galati 5:22-23), not the works of the flesh (Galati 5:19-21). 1 Giovanni 3:6-9 it clearly states that a genuine Christian will not continually live in sin. Responding to the accusation that grace promotes sin, the apostle Paul affirmed: “What shall we say then? Perhaps we will remain in sin so that grace may abound? Certainly not! We who died to sin, how we would still live in it?” (Romans 6:1-2).
Eternal security does not give the “license” to sin. Rather, it is the certainty of knowing that God's love is guaranteed for those who trust in Christ. Understanding and knowing God's incredible gift of salvation leads to the opposite of giving the “license” to sin. Knowing the price that Jesus paid for us, how could one continue to live a life of sin (Romans 6:15-23)? Understanding God's unconditional and guaranteed love for those who believe, how could one take that love and throw it back in God's face? Anyone who does this proves not that eternal security has given him a license to sin, rather, that he has not truly experienced salvation through Jesus Christ: “Whoever remains in him does not persist in sinning; whoever persists in sinning has not seen it, nor known” (1 Giovanni 3:6)
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Hi ChristianFaith. Regarding this topic, I wanted to point out what was written on this page
http://www.sentieriantichi.org/temi_caldi/predestinazione_08_perdizione.html
and ask you what you think and what interpretation we should give to the biblical passages cited in the article (those referring to the loss of salvation).
Thank you.
The steps cited do not annul the election. If someone falls it means that he was not chosen from the beginning. In fact, all of us believers have no security of salvation if we do not persevere in faith. If one of us loses faith in a future it means that he was not a chosen one, and God knew all things from the beginning. So NEVER delude yourself and believe yourself to be a chosen one, this will only be discovered at the end on the point of death.
Ciao
I believe in what you said about salvation. It is a gift for all men, no one will be without it, because none of us were born by chance.
But if you remove the writings on eternal condemnation, it's better.E' a topic you need to understand better. It is not possible for God to go against his Word, He SACRIFICED himself for everyone, l'opera la fa Lui, not us.
Sorry again, the trinity is not biblical, it is a human invention.
La bibbia dice che esiste il Padre il Figlio e lo Spirito Santo.Cristo è L'Unigenito Figlio, therefore he is God as the Father, with the same thought.
Delete the word "person"." you cannot use it when referring to God.
Hello and good work
From what you write you don't sound Christian. You are Jehovah's Witness? Because they are convinced that the trinity is not biblical and it is their prerogative to deny eternal condemnation. You are New Age? Because theirs is the belief that we will all be saved, but also of Catholics.
First, It's you who needs to understand what the trinity means because you misunderstand it. The word "trinity" must not be present in the Bible, but the concept. It means that God is one and manifested himself in three different forms: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And it is always Him. Although God is one, He exists in three Persons, called Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are not three people in the ordinary sense of the word; they are not three individuals, ma piuttosto tre modi o forme in cui esiste l'Essere divino. You can deny it? I really don't think so, because this is the Bible. Even the word Holy Supper is not in the Bible and yet no one can doubt that Christ established it. Many words even if not present, they are expressed in concepts. We are therefore saying the same thing.
Second, it is you who must better understand the concept of salvation. We will all be saved? The Bible doesn't say this, too beautiful, So what good was Jesus Christ?? Christ died for ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND CONVERT TO HIM, certainly not for unbelievers:
Jesus said to him: "I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me. Giovanni 14:6
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, SO THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life. Giovanni 3:16
WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LIKE HIM; for whoever approaches God must believe that he exists, and which rewards all who seek him. Jews 11:6
And all those who believe have been chosen by God who has given them faith, that doesn't come from us, we are not the ones who found it, but it is He who gave it to us according to his will. He decides who to pardon:
For by grace you have been saved, by fede; AND THIS DOES NOT COME FROM YOU; IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD. Ephesians 2:8
Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses: "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion".
Who are we to oppose His will? He decides who to save and makes choices according to his sovereign plan, how he decided to choose Israel as his people by revealing himself to them, without them having asked him, how he decided to show himself to Abraham (that he wasn't looking for it) and not to others, how he decided to convert Paul who was persecuting him and not looking for him in the slightest. Have you ever prayed insistently for someone's conversion and that person never converted? Well, that person was not part of God's plans and God did not want to know as a consequence. It seems strange to me that people miss this "small" detail, that is, that God is God and does not need us evil-hearted sinners to advance his divine plan. We are not capable of going to God alone, we are all atheists by nature, we are able to get closer to Him only if He puts the Spirit in us that leads us to seek Him.
Now we know that all things work together for the good of those who love God, who are CALLED ACCORDING TO HIS DESIGN. Because those he foreknew, li ha pure predestinati a essere conformi all'immagine del Figlio suo, that he may be the firstborn among many brothers; and THOSE WHOM HE PREDESTINED THEM HE ALSO CALLED; and those whom he called he also JUSTIFIED; and those he justified he also glorified. Romans 8:28-30
But we must always thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because GOD FROM THE BEGINNING HAS CHOSEN YOU TO SALVATION through sanctification in the Spirit and faith in the truth. 2Tessalonicesi 2:13
You can even go against the Bible, if you want.
Hell and eternal damnation do not exist? These are not the teachings of God. sure, it would be nice to take only what is convenient from the Bible, but it doesn't work like that:
How therefore weeds are collected and burned with fire, così avverrà alla fine dell'età presente. Il Figlio dell'uomo manderà i suoi angeli che raccoglieranno dal suo regno tutti gli scandali e tutti quelli che commettono l'iniquità, and they will throw them into the fiery furnace. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears [to hear] room. Matteo 13:40-43
but the children of the kingdom will be cast into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth there.". Matteo 8:12
Se l'occhio tuo ti fa cadere in peccato, horse; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where their worm does not die and the fire does not go out. Marco 9:47-48
Apocalypse 20:15 And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Apocalypse 19:20 But the beast was taken, and with her was taken the false prophet who had done wonders before her, with whom he had seduced those who had taken the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake burning with fire and brimstone.
Apocalypse 21:8 But for cowards, gl'increduli, the abominable, the murders, i fornicatori, the sorcerers, idolaters and all liars, their portion will be in the lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death".
Last thing, I have never referred to God as a “person”, the times I used persona it always referred to a human being. I think you haven't even read the article.
Greetings in Christ
Hi ChristianFaith,
perhaps salvation was received through Grace. Ma l'inferno lo si può certamente ricevere per le opere. Can a man who believes in Jesus do evil? If I believe in God,anche se l'istinto vorrebbe,I can't. So even if you would like to,it can't,you have to give up. And not to gain merit,but for the fulfillment of baptismal promises. "By their works you will know them". And this is also what distinguishes the children of light from the children of the world. One cannot be as cunning as the children of darkness,but we must live in Jesus. In Christ we can and must renounce evil. The Christian's Creed is also responsibility. If you believe in Christ and commit unjust works thinking that you will pass anyway….well it's not like that. In fact Christ says that, to those who have more, more will be asked. Otherwise we would be treated "more severely than others". Ciao,However, it's always nice to talk about these topics,visto la polvere che c'è altrove. In Christ,Andrea.
Hi Andrea, what you say is biblically irrelevant, In fact, I think so too. Salvation by faith implies good fruits as a consequence. However, it can also happen to the saved person to commit some sin every now and then, we are still on this world and live in a body of sin, and until Jesus takes us back and delivers us from this situation of this world, perfect in works we can never be. L'apostolo Paolo spiega benissimo questo concetto dell'uomo legato al peccato che non vuole, but sometimes he is tempted:
In fact, I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, does not live in any good; because the will is in me, but the way to do good, no.
In fact the good I want, I do not do it; but the evil that I do not want, that I do.
Now, if I do what I don't want, I am no longer the one who does it, but it is the sin that dwells in me.
I am therefore under this law: when I want to do good, evil is in me.
In fact, I am pleased with the law of God, secondo l'uomo interiore, ma vedo un'altra legge nelle mie membra, that fights against the law of my mind and makes me a prisoner of the law of sin that is in my members.
Unhappy me! Who will free me from this body of death?
Thanks be given to God through Jesus Christ, our Lord. So then, I with my mind serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. (Romans 7:18-25)
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I fully agree”important and”strive to be a good Christian(IMITATOR OF CHRIST)
THE SECURITY OF SALVATION The experience proves the possibility of a temporary fall from grace commonly known as "backsliding". “Misdirection” is not found in the N.T.; it is a word from the Author. One of the Hebrew words used means: “go back” or “go away”; another word means “to go around” or “to be refractory”. Israel is compared to a misguided heifer that refuses to be led and becomes resistant to the yoke;Israel has gone astray from Jehovah and has stubbornly refused to take upon itself the yoke of his commandments. The N.T.. warns against this attitude, but use other terms. Backslidden is he who once had zeal for the Lord, but which then disappeared (Mat. 24:12 “For iniquity will increase, the love of most will grow cold"); once obeyed the Word, but worldliness and sin prevented that Word from developing and bearing fruit (Mat. 13:22 “He who received the seed among the thorns is he who hears the word; then worldly commitments and the deception of riches suffocate the word which remains fruitless"); (Luca 9:62 “But Jesus said to him: «No one who has put his hand to the plow and then looks back, he is fit for the kingdom of God" he once put his hand to the plow but then looked back like Lot's wife, he was freed from the City of Destruction, but his heart returned to it (Luca 17:32 “Remember Lot's wife”); he was once in vital contact with Christ, but now he has lost it, and it's dry, sterile and good for nothing, spiritually speaking (Thurs.. 15:16 “You didn't choose me, but it is I who chose you, and I have appointed you to go and bear fruit and your fruit to remain; so that everything you ask the Father, in my name, he will give it to you"); once he followed the impulses of conscience, but now he has thrown away that compass that guided him and, as a consequence, the ship of faith was shipwrecked on the rocks of sin and worldliness (1Tim. 1:19 “keeping the faith and a good conscience; which some have renounced, and so, they have been shipwrecked in their faith."); once happy to call himself a Christian, but now he is ashamed to confess his Lord (2Tim. 1:8; 2:12 “Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, born to me, his inmate; but you too suffer for the gospel, supported by the power of God. If we have consistency, with him we will also reign"; once freed from the defilements of the world, but now he's back "like the washed whore to wallow in the mud" (2Pt. 2:22; compare Luca 11:21-26 “Lu 11:21 When the strong man, well armed, look at the entrance to his house, what he has is safe;22 but when someone stronger than him comes and defeats him, he takes away all the armor in which he trusted and divides the spoils.23 Whoever is not with me, it's against me; and whoever does not gather with me, disperses.24 «When the unclean spirit comes out of a man, it wanders through arid places, looking for rest; e, not finding any, dice: “I will return to my home, from which I came out”;25 e, when it gets there, he finds it swept and adorned.26 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits worse than himself, and they come to live there; and the last condition of that man becomes worse than the first").It is possible to fall short of grace for certain periods of time; but a person once saved, it may fail for a certain time and eventually be lost?Those who follow the doctrine of Calvin, they say no! Those who follow the doctrine of Arminius (a Dutch theologian), they say yes! The respective scriptural positions of Calvinists and Arminians, are contained in the Scripture. Calvinism exalts GRACE as the only source of salvation; and so does the Bible; Arminians insist on the free will of man…mo and his responsibility, and so does the Bible! The practical solution is to avoid the unscriptural extremities of both of these opinions, and to refrain from placing these doctrines in antagonism with each other. Because when two scriptural doctrines are openly pitted against each other, the result is a reaction that leads to error!The respective scriptural positions of Calvinists and Arminians, are contained in the Scripture. Calvinism exalts GRACE as the only source of salvation; and so does the Bible; Arminians insist on the free will of man…mo and his responsibility, and so does the Bible! The practical solution is to avoid the unscriptural extremities of both of these opinions, and to refrain from placing these doctrines in antagonism with each other. Because when two scriptural doctrines are openly pitted against each other, the result is a reaction that leads to error!